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This thread predates Komplete 12, but one thing has led to another etc. Scroll down to Sept 6th 2018 for the announcement of Komplete 12.[

Session Strings Pro 2

A new version of Session Strings Pro has been released by NI. A first impression suggest it won't win over the doubters like me, however.

REFRESHED SOUND, NEW INTERFACE, NEW POSSIBILITIES
Building on the immensely popular SESSION STRINGS products, SESSION STRINGS 2 and SESSION STRINGS PRO 2 combine a refreshed sound with a newly designed, modern interface – plus several user-requested features to help you quickly realize your creative vision.

FRESH SOUND
The entire sample collection has been remixed for a contemporary sound. The dry, intimate samples accurately capture vintage instruments played by in-demand session pros at a renowned German studio.

ADDED FEATURES
To enhance expression and streamline your path to creativity, these new editions incorporate several user-requested features.
True legato: Produce a more realistic ensemble sound – each note in a chord has its own correct legato transition. It also includes newly recorded note-to-note legato, portamento, and in SESSION STRINGS PRO 2, note-to-note glissando transitions.
Smart chord: Generate fully orchestrated and complex string chords using single keys.
Smart voice split: Ensure realistic, natural voicing of ensemble chords with notes that are automatically allocated to the correct instrument group.
Mixer page: Fine-tune the ensemble mix using familiar console controls.
Phrase animator: Easily orchestrate and arrange unique, customized phrases (SESSION STRINGS PRO 2 only).
Enhanced rhythmic animator: Create driving rhythmic patterns on the fly with an enhanced, fully editable rhythmic animator, which stays synced to the host DAW.
Color: Transform the sound of your ensemble with a turn of one knob using a powerful master multi-effect capability.
Sound presets: Quickly set master effects, mixer effects, and volumes as well as the on/off state for instruments groups.
Customizable ensemble: Select the size and instrumentation of your string section as an alternative to the full ensemble (SESSION STRINGS PRO 2 only).

I can only see the UK prices, which are £239 and £129 for an update from the previous version.

Komplete 12

This is a new-fangled Apple style leak which has come from the company's own code - https://www.native-instruments.com/foru ... 12.328679/ . The latest versions of Naitve Access.xml contained the following list of products. First the basic version:

<SNPID>012 Elastic Thump
<SNPID>085 Form
<SNPID>090 Molten Veil
<SNPID>095 Queensbridge Story
<SNPID>140 Massive
<SNPID>152 The Giant
<SNPID>158 Drum Lab
<SNPID>204 Reaktor Prism
<SNPID>205 The Finger R2
<SNPID>206 Reaktor Spark R2
<SNPID>229 Kinetic Metal
<SNPID>249 Battery 4
<SNPID>250 Battery 4 Factory Library
<SNPID>260 Supercharger
<SNPID>269 Absynth 5
<SNPID>275 FM8
<SNPID>324 Kontakt Factory Library
<SNPID>329 Halcyon Sky
<SNPID>333 True School
<SNPID>391 Reaktor 6
<SNPID>413 Scarbee MM-Bass
<SNPID>422 Scarbee Vintage Keys
<SNPID>425 Vintage Organs
<SNPID>433 West Africa
<SNPID>435 Studio Drummer
<SNPID>436 Retro Machines Mk2
<SNPID>438 Abbey Road 60s Drummer
<SNPID>447 Solid EQ FX
<SNPID>449 Solid Dynamics FX
<SNPID>450 Solid Bus Comp FX
<SNPID>451 Transient Master FX
<SNPID>455 Session Horns
<SNPID>456 Monark
<SNPID>458 Driver
<SNPID>459 Scarbee Rickenbacker Bass
<SNPID>471 Lucid Mission
<SNPID>485 Komplete Kontrol
<SNPID>486 The Maverick
<SNPID>487 The Grandeur
<SNPID>488 The Gentleman
<SNPID>489 Rounds
<SNPID>490 Polyplex
<SNPID>491 Kontour
<SNPID>518 Rammfire
<SNPID>520 Reflektor
<SNPID>523 Traktors 12
<SNPID>525 Guitar Rig 5
<SNPID>544 Replika
<SNPID>568 Session Guitarist - Strummed Acoustic
<SNPID>577 Neon Drive
<SNPID>587 India
<SNPID>632 Velvet Lounge
<SNPID>635 Reaktor Blocks
<SNPID>636 Reaktor Factory Library
<SNPID>659 Una Corda
<SNPID>FX0 Choral
<SNPID>FX1 Flair
<SNPID>FX2 Phasis
<SNPID>K01 Middle East
<SNPID>K03 Session Strings 2
<SNPID>K6E Kontakt (6)
<SNPID>MXE Massive X ???
<SNPID>MXL Massive X Library ???
<SNPID>NB1 Native Browser Preview Library
<SNPID>TRK TRK-01
<SNPID>X01 London Grit
<SNPID>X05 Deep Matter

...and then Ultimate.

<SNPID>012 Elastic Thump
<SNPID>064 Session Guitarist - Strummed Acoustic 2
<SNPID>085 Form
<SNPID>087 Symphony Essentials Woodwind Solo
<SNPID>088 Symphony Essentials Woodwind Ensemble
<SNPID>090 Molten Veil
<SNPID>095 Queensbridge Story
<SNPID>140 Massive
<SNPID>151 Skanner XT
<SNPID>152 The Giant
<SNPID>158 Drum Lab
<SNPID>191 RC 24
<SNPID>192 RC 48
<SNPID>204 Reaktor Prism
<SNPID>205 The Finger R2
<SNPID>206 Reaktor Spark R2
<SNPID>209 The Mouth
<SNPID>212 Razor
<SNPID>225 Action Strikes
<SNPID>229 Kinetic Metal
<SNPID>248 Molekular
<SNPID>249 Battery 4
<SNPID>250 Battery 4 Factory Library
<SNPID>269 Absynth 5
<SNPID>275 FM8
<SNPID>294 Supercharger GT
<SNPID>295 Marble Rims
<SNPID>314 Session Horns Pro
<SNPID>324 Kontakt Factory Library
<SNPID>325 Rise And Hit
<SNPID>329 Halcyon Sky
<SNPID>333 True School
<SNPID>336 Platinum Bounce
<SNPID>349 Drop Squad Bundle
<SNPID>391 Reaktor 6
<SNPID>402 Maschine Drum Selection
<SNPID>405 Evolve Mutations
<SNPID>406 Scarbee Pre-Bass
<SNPID>407 Scarbee Pre-Bass Amped
<SNPID>408 Balinese Gamelan
<SNPID>413 Scarbee MM-Bass
<SNPID>414 Scarbee MM-Bass Amped
<SNPID>415 Scarbee Jay-Bass
<SNPID>417 Alicias Keys
<SNPID>419 Evolve Mutations 2
<SNPID>422 Scarbee Vintage Keys
<SNPID>425 Vintage Organs
<SNPID>430 George Duke Soul Treasures
<SNPID>431 Scarbee Funk Guitarist
<SNPID>433 West Africa
<SNPID>435 Studio Drummer
<SNPID>436 Retro Machines Mk2
<SNPID>437 Damage
<SNPID>438 Abbey Road 60s Drummer
<SNPID>439 Abbey Road 70s Drummer
<SNPID>440 Abbey Road 80s Drummer
<SNPID>441 Abbey Road Modern Drummer
<SNPID>442 Evolve R2
<SNPID>444 Enhanced EQ
<SNPID>445 Passive EQ
<SNPID>446 Vari Comp
<SNPID>447 Solid EQ FX
<SNPID>448 VC 76 FX
<SNPID>449 Solid Dynamics FX
<SNPID>450 Solid Bus Comp FX
<SNPID>451 Transient Master FX
<SNPID>452 VC 160 FX
<SNPID>453 VC 2A FX
<SNPID>454 Action Strings
<SNPID>456 Monark
<SNPID>457 Abbey Road Vintage Drummer
<SNPID>458 Driver
<SNPID>459 Scarbee Rickenbacker Bass
<SNPID>469 Abbey Road 50s Drummer
<SNPID>471 Lucid Mission
<SNPID>485 Komplete Kontrol
<SNPID>486 The Maverick
<SNPID>487 The Grandeur
<SNPID>488 The Gentleman
<SNPID>489 Rounds
<SNPID>490 Polyplex
<SNPID>491 Kontour
<SNPID>518 Rammfire
<SNPID>520 Reflektor
<SNPID>523 Traktors 12
<SNPID>525 Guitar Rig 5
<SNPID>540 Cuba
<SNPID>546 Caribbean Current
<SNPID>561 Replika XT
<SNPID>568 Session Guitarist - Strummed Acoustic
<SNPID>569 Emotive Strings
<SNPID>577 Neon Drive
<SNPID>581 Astral Flutter
<SNPID>584 Golden Kingdom
<SNPID>587 India
<SNPID>599 Flesh
<SNPID>632 Velvet Lounge
<SNPID>635 Reaktor Blocks
<SNPID>636 Reaktor Factory Library
<SNPID>653 Cavern Floor
<SNPID>659 Una Corda
<SNPID>663 Kinetic Toys
<SNPID>668 Symphony Essentials Brass Ensemble
<SNPID>669 Symphony Essentials Brass Solo
<SNPID>670 Symphony Essentials String Ensemble
<SNPID>681 Lazer Dice
<SNPID>949 Thrill
<SNPID>FX0 Choral
<SNPID>FX1 Flair
<SNPID>FX2 Phasis
<SNPID>FX4 Bite
<SNPID>FX5 Freak
<SNPID>FX6 Dirt
<SNPID>K01 Middle East
<SNPID>K02 Session Guitarist - Electric Sunburst
<SNPID>K04 Session Strings Pro 2
<SNPID>K6E Kontakt (6)
<SNPID>MXE Massive X ???
<SNPID>MXL Massive X Library ???
<SNPID>NB1 Native Browser Preview Library
<SNPID>SE1 Symphony Essentials Percussion
<SNPID>TRK TRK-01
<SNPID>X01 London Grit
<SNPID>X03 Byte Riot
<SNPID>X04 Decoded Forms
<SNPID>X05 Deep Matter

Most notable would be Massive X and Kontakt 6. It's worth noting that Mario (Evil Dragon) says that Kontakt 6 is not yet in Beta. In the past, NI have released Komplete with a promise of a criticial Kontakt upgrade when available, or alternatively it could mean that we're still some way from the release of Komplete 12.

I understand they bundle all Mashine expansions ?

Erik wrote: ↑May 16, 2018 5:35 am I understand they bundle all Mashine expansions ?

Hmm, that's a new one on me, Erik, which I don't quite understand - since Maschine isn't part of Komplete, I don't quite follow?

Some of the more recent cross-platform expansions (Maschine, Battery, Reaktor synths etc) do look to be included, but not all.

EDIT - Ah yes, the Maschine expansions were rolled into the new cross-platform ones, I forgot. I don't see all the expansions listed there - no Meteoric Rise for example - but maybe you're right at all the older ones which used to be Maschine are included.

ah ok, must be the cross platform : Laze Dice, Carribean Current, LondonGrit...

Just cross posted and amended my post with an EDIT.

Here's a perhaps easier to digest change list from Ultimate 12 as far as I can figure out:

New to 12 and currently unreleased

INSTRUMENTS
Middle East
Kontakt 6 (currently 5)
Massive X + Library
TRK-01 (might not be a product)

EFFECTS
Freak
Dirt

New to 12 Ultimate

INSTRUMENTS
Strummed Acoustic 2 (currently 1)
Kinetic Toys
Thrill
Symphony Essentials Percussion

EXPANSIONS
Elastic Thump
Molten Veil
Queensbridge Story
Marble Rims
Halcyon Sky
True School
Platinum Bounce
Drop Squad Bundle
Lucid Mission
Caribbean Current
Neon Drive
Astral Flutter
Golden Kingdom
Velvet Lounge
Cavern Floor
Lazer Dice
London Grit
Byte Riot
Decoded Forms
Deep Matter

EFFECTS
Choral
Flair
Phasis

Having skipped 11, 12 will be the one to go for for me. Kontakt 6 is the obvious must-have, but there's a fair few others now that will be nice to have.

Guy Rowland wrote: ↑May 16, 2018 9:04 am New to 12 and currently unreleased

INSTRUMENTS

TRK-01 (might not be a product)

The big reveal:

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... hs/trk-01/



TRK-01 runs in REAKTOR 6, KOMPLETE KONTROL and the free REAKTOR 6 PLAYER, and is available now at the NI Online Shop for [99€, $99, £89].

Ha, you just beat me to it!

Well that pretty much confirms the list as legit I’d say. Massive X and Kontakt 6, here we come.

So when are Komplete 12/ Komplete 12 Ultimate expected to be out ? Any guesses ?

Muziksculp wrote: ↑May 29, 2018 11:28 am So when are Komplete 12/ Komplete 12 Ultimate expected to be out ? Any guesses ?

Well why not. It's late May, which means the summer sale is likely approaching to get rid of the old stock. So I'd guess June will be half price on Komplete 11 / upgrades. Then Komplete 12 in late August - October. Could well be that Kontakt 6 won't be ready by then, in which case it'll be a voucher to upgrade when its good to go.

I'm not so positive. For such a long-awaited update there will likely be more than one battery of beta tests (as in, several builds would need to be tested, and that could be anywhere from 2 to x), and there's usually a month or two of testing per build...

I don't see K12 out this year, but that's just me. Or should I rather say, I don't see K6 out this year, so by that line of thought K12 wouldn't be this year either. Don't think they'll do the voucher, it's been a reeeeeeally long time since they did that.

EvilDragon wrote: ↑May 29, 2018 5:57 pm I'm not so positive. For such a long-awaited update there will likely be more than one battery of beta tests (as in, several builds would need to be tested, and that could be anywhere from 2 to x), and there's usually a month or two of testing per build...

I don't see K12 out this year, but that's just me. Or should I rather say, I don't see K6 out this year, so by that line of thought K12 wouldn't be this year either. Don't think they'll do the voucher, it's been a reeeeeeally long time since they did that.

Well you're the guru, but I'm pretty sure it was only K10 or K11 that had a voucher for Kontakt 5.6 or something, wasn't it?

And according to the release spreadsheet (I know... this stuff appeals to my nerdiness) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=4 the longest gap between releases has been 2 years. So anything beyond September would put it as the longest release gap yet, and I can't see their sales folks being very keen on that.

Guy Rowland wrote: ↑May 29, 2018 6:16 pmWell you're the guru, but I'm pretty sure it was only K10 or K11 that had a voucher for Kontakt 5.6 or something, wasn't it?

Not that I recall. K5 was a part of Komplete since Komplete 8 till today, K5.6 was not a paid update, you just got it with K10/11.

...oh yes you're right - 5.6 was announced as part of K11 I think, but wasn't ready in time. But no voucher, just got updated when it was done like everyone else with Kontakt 5.

Still, almost everything on the leaked list is out now, just Middle East to go, plus a couple of effects, Reaktor X and Kontakt 6. I find it hard to believe that they'll let it go past September into the longest wait they've ever had. Don't think they'll need K6 to be through Beta before releasing if it comes to it. With K10 Ultimate some of the new synths weren't on the install disk they shipped out, it was a separate download, so I really don't think there's anything too out of the ordinary for NI there.

Guy Rowland wrote: ↑May 29, 2018 2:50 pmSo I'd guess June will be half price on Komplete 11 / upgrades.

Dammit, I was 2 days out with my guess:

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... ound-2018/

Other half price stuff too.

Close enough, Guy. Speaking of your clairvoyant abilities, care to PM me the lottery numbers for this week?

Luciano Storti wrote: ↑May 30, 2018 2:20 pm Close enough, Guy. Speaking of your clairvoyant abilities, care to PM me the lottery numbers for this week?

...one of the numbers has a 2 in it. I think.

I have regular Komplete 8. I've found it hard to justify even the very reasonable half price upgrade pricing to move on up. However, since 12 Ultimate will contain Thrill, Rise and Hit, the Symphony Essentials (who knows if they will be useful, but still) and K6, I might finally move up to Ultimate.

One more leaked product is released: Middle East.

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... ddle-east/

With the Crush Pack released last week, I think that's pretty much a full house now for the leaked Ultimate 12 products except the all important Kontakt 6 and Massive X.

Pre-order available, ships on October 1, Massive X released on February 2019 and Kontakt 6 is included as well on the first of October release

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... mplete-12/
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... -ultimate/
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... s-edition/

Hmmm...

So far I think I'll grab the Kontakt 6 upgrade immediately, not sure if there is much I don't have in Komplete 12, so I may pass on that.

I wish there was more info on the Kontakt updates, but the Lua support strikes me as interesting.

wst3 wrote: ↑Sep 06, 2018 10:30 am Hmmm...

So far I think I'll grab the Kontakt 6 upgrade immediately, not sure if there is much I don't have in Komplete 12, so I may pass on that.

I wish there was more info on the Kontakt updates, but the Lua support strikes me as interesting.

Probably you saw it, but here is all what's new in Kontakt 6. It looks more like a developers update though (and liking that a lot as I am working on a kontakt library, so curious to see how this will pan out)
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... whats-new/

As a synth enthousiast I am curious of course towards Massive X, so will upgrade as with the Kontakt upgrade for sure, I would be a thief of my own wallet to not upgrade. I also like the Discovery series and glad to see the Middle East one included.

The Kontakt 6 update seems great as I'm starting to build some libs of my own! Timing couldn't be better

Given I'm always bleating on about how I don't really need more orchestral libraries (unless something REALLY new comes along), I'm figuring that the Symphonic Series is pretty redundant in my case. Anyone with any positive experiences with any of the range?