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Wow. Hold on to your hats, folks...

This from a reFX newsletter:
Steinberg has informed us that they are discontinuing the USB-eLicenser and soft-eLicenser technology as of January 1st, 2022. Steinberg will maintain the server handling those services for a grace period of six months until June 30th, 2022. After that period, Steinberg reserves the right to shut down the server at its sole discretion.

Unfortunately, this move is beyond our control and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it.

IMPORTANT: YOUR NEXUS2 WILL CONTINUE TO WORK, EVEN AFTER THE SERVER HAS BEEN SHUT DOWN.

However, once the server has been shut down, it will no longer be possible to download new licenses to any USB-eLicenser or transfer licenses stored on a USB-eLicenser to a different USB-eLicenser. This means if your USB-eLicenser containing your NEXUS2 license gets damaged, you will not be able to transfer it to a new USB-eLicenser.

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Well, I guess that could mean, Cubase 12 will be here in Q1 2022, which is good news. Otherwise, I am not happy for the three e-licensers I have plus probably 3 more I bought in the past that will soon be useless. I had to buy two additional ones for my VEpro sample slaves.


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I suspect we'll see announcements tomorrow (Wednesday) on how all this will work for Steinberg and VSL... (and the Cubase 12 announcement too).


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Actually I missed this from VSL way back in April:
Hello Everyone,

It is my pleasure to announce that we’re starting to prepare the move to a new license management platform.

eLicenser has served us well during many years, but we’re also well aware of some limitations of the platform that we want to overcome for our customers and for us.

Thus we’re currently preparing the transition of all of our products to PACE’s iLok license management solution. This will take some time, but we’d like to let you know as early as possible that many new options in license handling will be available to our customers in the future, and that the entire process of purchasing and activating products will be streamlined and improved.

To make the entire migration as easy and hassle-free for our customers (and for us ;-), here are a few key facts we’d like to share that early in the process:

FREE TRANSITION: Moving your licenses from the eLicenser to the iLok platform will be free of charge for you.

CHOICE OF KEY OR CLOUD: You will be able to choose if you’d like to store your VSL licenses on the iLok hardware key or in the iLok Cloud without using a hardware key.

COMPATIBILITY: Under the iLok system, you will still be able to open existing projects as long as the eLicenser is connected. Once the project has been saved again, the eLicenser will no longer be required.

CONTINUED SERVICE: You’ll be able to continue to use the ViennaKey/eLicenser USB key as well as the eLicenser Control Center for as long as it is working on your computers’ operating systems. Your licenses are safe and perpetual. Steinberg will keep the eLicenser license server available as long as possible, so you’ll be able to move licenses between eLicenser USB keys and will receive replacement licenses in case of damage, theft or loss of your eLicenser key (for free if you have a valid Vienna Protection Plan) well beyond the time when the iLok system is already available to you.

For every registered product in your VSL account, you will receive an iLok license. You will NOT be asked to return or delete any of your existing licenses on the eLicenser.
We’ll be able to provide more information later this year. Before you ask, at this time we don’t know when exactly we’ll be able to start moving licenses to the iLok platform, but you’ll be the first to know as we move along in the process.

What’s more, we’re now offering ViennaKeys at a substantial discount, and we’ll include a free €20 voucher with every ViennaKey order in our web shop.


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If you suddenly need an iLok, Woot has the 3rd Gen USB-C sticks for $38.46. https://sellout.woot.com/offers/pace-il ... nt_wp_0_12
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I have two physical iLoks but I won’t be shocked if some former e-licenser stuff will require an iLok account but not a physical iLok.
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Ashermusic wrote: Nov 09, 2021 8:54 pm …will require an iLok account but not a physical iLok.
Fingers crossed.
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Ashermusic wrote: Nov 09, 2021 8:54 pm I have two physical iLoks but I won’t be shocked if some former e-licenser stuff will require an iLok account but not a physical iLok.
The VSL message says iLok Cloud can be used, so that's dongle-free. BUT you have to be connected to the net, so in the case of any net service interruption, you'd be stuffed. Far from ideal.

Should see what Steinberg's own plans are today.


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Something's been bothering me about the VSL message, and I think I figured it out. They say the first time you run a project, you will need both iLok and eLicensers - after that you just need the iLok. So... what happens after your eLicenser breaks on an older project you haven't re-opened yet? Is that project now lost forever?

Surely they can do better than this. If it is an updated VE Pro you are running, why does it ever need to call on the eLicenser?


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Considering the bad luck quotient, do you suppose there will be a Cubase 13 or will they rename the program at that point, something like, for example...”Meta..”


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So Steinberg's policy is now up:
A NEW AND EXCITING ERA BEGINS AT STEINBERG
Dear Steinberg customers,

I am writing today because I want you to be the first to know about the start of the transition to a new method of Steinberg product licensing. Earlier this year we announced our intention to migrate to a new ID-based licensing system — Steinberg Licensing — and I can now confirm that we will begin to roll it out early next year. While this announcement might not be news to all of you, I'm sure it comes as quite a surprise to many. But, in the way of all good surprises, this one brings new benefits and has inspired us to look at things in fresh, innovative ways.

Steinberg Licensing is a big step forward, a huge milestone in further developing our vision to bring to you the best user experience. That experience includes sophisticated tools for creating music, premium content to work with, and various useful services that bring our global community together. Over time, Steinberg Licensing will be the key to unlocking enhanced opportunities and greater convenience in different areas, both within and beyond the world of Steinberg.

eLicenser technology has played a significant role for a very long time with Steinberg customers and transitioning to a new system has and will continue to entail a big effort on our part. It is important to point out that, for a certain period, both licensing systems will run side-by-side. This means you will be able to continue using your eLicenser dongle. But bear in mind you will only be able to access the new services offered by Steinberg Licensing with the new system.

You will soon be introduced to Steinberg Licensing, with the release of Dorico 4 early next year. I can also tell you that Cubase 12 has been moved to 2022, allowing it to be the next software after Dorico to harness the potential of the new system. As new versions of other products are released, they will use the new system, too.

As with all new technology, the full potential will gradually unfold. Steinberg Licensing will be a work in progress for a while and, at first, features will be restricted. But as we move forward, more and more features will be introduced.

We are excited to be opening this new chapter and we look forward to going ahead into the future together with you.

I wish all of you the very best.

Andreas Stelling

INTRODUCING STEINBERG LICENSING
Simply start your software, sign in with your Steinberg ID, and you’re up and running instantly — with no need for a hardware key or dongle. Steinberg Licensing is simple, quick, and flexible.

WHERE WE CAME FROM
We know that you value your creative tools highly, and that protecting your investment in those tools is important to you. It’s important to us, too, as minimizing usage of unlicensed, pirated or cracked software means that we are able to invest as much as possible in building new and improved creative tools for our customers.

For many years, Steinberg products have used our eLicenser system, with its combination of the USB-eLicenser hardware key and the Soft-eLicenser software key, and it has served us and our customers well. But times change, and for many years now our customers have been asking us for extra freedom and flexibility.

Today, many musicians are able to use a laptop or other portable computer as their main music-making computer: but more and more these devices have limited USB ports, and plugging in a hardware key is inconvenient or even impossible.

Today, many musicians have two or more computers: but the eLicenser system only allows the software to be used on a single computer with a Soft-eLicenser, or on the computer to which the USB-eLicenser is connected.

Today, many musicians expect to be able to try out a new software tool simply by downloading it from the web: but customers have had to buy a USB-eLicenser before they can try out Cubase Pro.

These and other changes in the way musicians want to buy and use software mean that it is time to say goodbye to the eLicenser system and leave it behind.

WHERE WE ARE GOING
We are beginning the transition from eLicenser to the new Steinberg Licensing system. Over time, as new versions of our creative tools and instruments are introduced, our product line will use Steinberg Licensing — starting with Dorico 4 and Cubase 12 in 2022. We expect the overall transition will take between one and two years.

Steinberg Licensing will provide greater convenience, more flexibility, and enable you to use your Steinberg software in new, more powerful ways. For example, single-user licenses can be activated on two computers, so you can easily run your software in your studio and on the road. You won’t need to remember your USB-eLicenser when you travel or need to work at a new

location: you can simply download your software, sign in with your Steinberg ID, and you will be up and running right away.

Later in 2022, we will also be introducing dedicated support for institutional and enterprise licensing, making it easier for schools, colleges, universities, and businesses to deploy, manage and use Steinberg software.

HOW IT WORKS

Steinberg Licensing is an identity-based license management system, where your identity as our customer is at the heart of everything. Whether you are an individual customer, or you represent an organization, educational institution, or enterprise, your entitlement to use Steinberg products flows from your Steinberg ID.

Signing up for a Steinberg ID is as simple as entering your email address, choosing a secure password, and verifying your new account. It only takes a couple of minutes — and if you are an existing Steinberg customer, you probably already have a Steinberg ID.

Online activation
With Steinberg Licensing, you can simply download your purchased software, run it, sign in with your Steinberg ID, and you’re up and running right away. When you sign in, your computer contacts Steinberg over the Internet to check your license, record some information that identifies the computer you’re signing in from, and activates your software.

After activation, you can disconnect from the internet altogether if you need to, and run your software for 30 days without reconnecting. However, most of us have our computers connected to the Internet all or most of the time, and when you run your Steinberg software, if a connection is available it will periodically contact Steinberg in the background to update its activation. If you find yourself unexpectedly without an internet connection, your software should always have plenty of time remaining before its activation requires renewal.

This online activation system also allows the flexibility to activate your software on two computers at once — and if you buy a new computer or temporarily need to use a different one, you can easily release your license from one computer to activate another.

Offline activation (coming soon)
We know that in some special circumstances, you might not be able to connect the computer on which you run your Steinberg software to the internet, and very soon we will provide the ability to check out a license for a period of one year. You will be able to do this either by temporarily connecting your computer to the Internet, checking out the license, and then disconnecting again, or if you prefer, you will be able to use the Internet connection on another computer to generate a check out license that you can install on the offline machine.

Managing your licenses
You can check the status of your licenses using the new Steinberg Activation Manager software, which will be automatically installed when you install software that uses Steinberg Licensing. Steinberg Activation Manager lists your licensed products and allows you to activate them on your computer, or release a license if you want to activate on another computer.

If you are unable to run Steinberg Activation Manager on your computer, because for example you are working from a new location, you can sign in to the Steinberg web site using your Steinberg ID and release a license from there.

FAQ

REQUIRING AN INTERNET CONNECTION
Do I have to be connected to the internet to launch the application?
The first time you launch the application, an internet connection is required so that you can sign in with your Steinberg ID and the software can be activated. Once your software is activated, your computer only needs to be connected to the internet once every 30 days to renew the offline allowance for your Steinberg software products.

How often will I need to connect to the internet? Do I need to be connected all the time?
Your computer only needs to be connected to the internet in order to sign in with your Steinberg ID, to obtain the initial activation, and then to renew that activation periodically. Your initial offline allowance period is 30 days, and your computer can remain disconnected from the internet for that whole period: your software will continue its normal operation. Towards the end of the 30 day period, your software will remind you that you will need to connect to the internet to renew your offline allowance. If you do not connect to the internet before the 30 day period expires, your software will be inoperable until you reconnect your computer to the internet.

If your computer is connected to the internet when you start your software, it will attempt to renew the offline allowance in the background automatically on start-up. This renewal is performed silently. Your software will only interrupt you to inform you about your activation status if you need to take action.

So in summary: you need to be connected to the internet to obtain your initial activation, and once every 30 days to renew your offline allowance. If your computer is connected to the internet when you launch your software, it will automatically extend your offline allowance period, so that you will almost always have a full 30 day offline allowance period available. However, running your Steinberg software does not require a constant internet connection (unlike, say, iLok Cloud).

Can I use Steinberg products on systems that are not connected to the internet at all?
We know that some customers prefer to run their studio machines offline, or that for specific projects it may be required for legal or contractual reasons not to connect to the internet for the duration of the project. To meet these requirements, we will shortly be introducing a process of activating a license for a period of one year, so that the computer can remain disconnected from the internet for that entire period and the software will continue to operate as normal.

Two methods of activating a license offline will be provided, depending on whether the computer can connect to the internet for a short period of time. If you can connect the computer to the internet temporarily at the time of software activation, you will be able to check out a license directly using Steinberg Activation Manager, then disconnect your computer from the internet.

If, on the other hand, you cannot connect your computer to the internet at any time, you will be able to use Steinberg Activation Manager to generate a license request that you can save to a removable storage device (like a USB drive) and take to a computer that is connected to the internet. Using Steinberg Activation Manager on the online computer, you can exchange the license request for a offline-activated license. You then save the license file back to the removable storage device, and return to the offline computer, where you use Steinberg Activation Manager to install the license file.

In both cases, the software will then run for a period of 365 days without requiring an internet connection at any time.

We expect to introduce the ability to activate a license offline as soon as we can after the initial launch.

USE ON MULTIPLE MACHINES
How many computers can I use with a new license - FAQ - Licensing?
You are allowed to install our products on multiple computers, but you can only activate a product on two computers at any one time. A single-user license is intended for a single person, and it is not permitted to use the software simultaneously on two computers. If you run out of activations, you can release a license from one of your computers before activating it on a new one.

Can I buy a multi-seat license for an educational institution or business?
In the future, multi-user licenses for educational institutions and enterprise customers will be available, allowing you to choose the number of computers on which the software can be used simultaneously.

For the time being, the offering for educational and business customers will continue to vary according to the product.

If I activate my software on one platform, can I later activate on the other platform, e.g. Windows first, then Mac?
Yes. All Steinberg desktop software products are cross-platform between Windows and macOS, and you can freely activate your software on either platform.

USE BY MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS ON A SINGLE COMPUTER
Will my license be usable by other user accounts on my computer?
For single-user licenses, only the user account on your computer which you use to sign in with your Steinberg ID will be able to use the software. Single-user licenses are intended for use by a single person, not for sharing between multiple users on the same computer.

For multiple-user licenses, which will be available later in 2022, further options will be available, including the option to assign a license to a specific computer, such that any user account on that computer will be able to use the software.

GRACE PERIOD
Will grace period updates be available for existing eLicenser-based products moving to Steinberg Licensing?
Free grace period updates will still be available for products using Steinberg Licensing. Further details about how to check eligibility for grace period updates will be provided in due course.

UPGRADING MY COMPUTER
Can I upgrade the hardware in my computer without losing my activation?
Your license is tied primarily to your identity, i.e. to your Steinberg ID account. However, we do record some information about the computer on which you activate your license so that we can count how many computers you currently have activated, and enforce the limit of two computers for a single-user license (or, in future, the specific number of computers in a multi-user license). Your privacy is protected: the information that is recorded is not personally identifiable, and no information about specific software or files on your computer is transmitted.

If you change the hardware in your computer significantly, then it may appear to the licensing system that you are running on an entirely new computer. In the event that your computer is identified as a new computer, depending on whether you have a current activation on a second computer, you may have to sign in with your Steinberg ID to deactivate the license on the "old" computer.

Do I need to take any special precautions
Provided you are updating your operating system in place, without reformatting your computer or installing a new hard disk, etc., then your software should remain activated after the OS update. However, it is not impossible for an OS update to make sufficiently large changes to your computer that it may be interpreted as a new computer when you next renew your online activation. In the event that your computer is identified as a new computer, depending on whether you have a current activation on a second computer, you may have to sign in to the licensing portal on the Steinberg web site with your Steinberg ID to release the license on the "old" computer.

ELICENSER
Can I continue using my eLicensers?
Yes. The eLicenser system will be maintained and run for some time to come, at least until such time as all actively-maintained Steinberg products have been transitioned to the new Steinberg Licensing system. Even after the eLicenser server is eventually decommissioned, further still into the future, existing USB-eLicensers will continue to work for as long as they remain functional and you are still able to run the corresponding software versions on your computer.

However, if you want to take advantage of the new features and improvements that will be introduced in major updates to Steinberg software, when you update to a new version using Steinberg Licensing, you will not have the option of using your eLicenser for that version of that product.

What happens if I lose an old USB-eLicenser after the switch to the new system has been made?
Steinberg Zero Downtime will continue to be available for some time after the introduction of the new Steinberg Licensing system, at least until such time as all actively-maintained Steinberg products have transitioned to using the new Steinberg Licensing system. Although we are no longer manufacturing new USB-eLicensers, we expect it to be possible to buy USB-eLicensers for some time to come, either direct from the Steinberg Online Shop or from authorized resellers.

What about products from other companies that I have on my eLicenser?
Over time, other companies that currently use the eLicenser system will transition to alternative licensing systems. Please contact the vendor of your third-party software for more information about their plans.

MIGRATING EXISTING LICENSES
Can I migrate all my licenses to the new system?
Steinberg Licensing will be used for new products and updates to existing products as they each arrive at their next major version, but until each product has been updated to use the new Steinberg Licensing system, existing licenses will continue to use the eLicenser system during the transitional period. We expect to transition all actively-maintained products to the new Steinberg Licensing system within the next two years.

After I update to Steinberg Licensing, will I still be able to run previous versions of the products I’ve bought?
Yes, provided you either have your USB-eLicenser connected to your computer, or the Soft-eLicenser containing the license for the previous version of the product is present on the computer. The new Steinberg Licensing system does not apply to versions of our products prior to the first version that uses the new system: so if you buy, say, a new license for Cubase 12 as a brand new customer, you cannot run Cubase 11 or earlier, but if you are an existing Steinberg customer who updates to Cubase 12 from Cubase 11, you can still run Cubase 11 or indeed any previous version of Cubase provided you connect your USB-eLicenser containing the license for Cubase 11.

Can I sell licenses? If so, how?
Yes, you will still be able to sell your retail licenses using the Steinberg Licensing system. We will provide details of this process in the future.

Note, however, after you have updated an existing license for a Steinberg product to a version that uses the new Steinberg Licensing system, although the license for the previous version will remain in your eLicenser, you cannot resell, transfer or update/upgrade that license.

PRICING AND BUSINESS MODEL
Will I still be able to choose when to upgrade or update?
Yes, just as you have always had the option to decide whether or not to purchase an update to the new version of a product after it is released, you will still be able to choose if and when to update. After a new version is available, your license for your current version will continue to work as normal.

Does the introduction of Steinberg Licensing mean that Steinberg is introducing subscription pricing?
The introduction of Steinberg Licensing does not change anything today about the way we sell our products. However, the new system does open up many new possibilities for the way we offer our products, and we plan to explore these in future.

We know that many of our existing customers are concerned that Steinberg may switch to a subscription pricing model for our products. Please be reassured that whatever options for buying Steinberg software products may be offered in future, we have no plans to withdraw the option to buy and use our existing software products under a perpetual license, just as we always have.

DATA COLLECTION
What data does Steinberg collect in the course of the activation process?
Your software licenses are tied to your Steinberg ID, which uses your email address as your unique identity. Each computer on which you activate your software will transmit a unique hardware identification key to identify that computer for the purposes of allowing you to run your software on the appropriate number of computers. This hardware identification key does not include any personally-identifiable data, and does not include any information about the configuration of or specific files on your computer. The host name of your computer may be transmitted for the purposes of showing you the names of the computers on which you have activated the software on the Steinberg web site, should you need to deactivate a license from a computer other than the one you are using.

When you activate your software, the time of activation is recorded for the purposes of allowing you to run your software offline (i.e. disconnected from the internet) for the specified offline allowance period. Each time you run your software when an internet connection is available, it will attempt to renew your activation, to extend your offline allowance period. When you activate your software, or when the activation is renewed, only the time and hardware identification key is transmitted, along with a request for which specific license the software requires.

For more information, please see our privacy policy.

MISCELLANEOUS
Does this new licensing system apply to Steinberg's apps for iOS and Android?
No. Steinberg Licensing is only used by our software products for WIndows and macOS. Our apps for iPad, iPhone, Android and Chromebook devices will continue to use the standard licensing terms and systems of the Apple App Store and Google Play Store.
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Guy Rowland wrote: Nov 10, 2021 4:06 am Something's been bothering me about the VSL message, and I think I figured it out. They say the first time you run a project, you will need both iLok and eLicensers - after that you just need the iLok. So... what happens after your eLicenser breaks on an older project you haven't re-opened yet? Is that project now lost forever?

Surely they can do better than this. If it is an updated VE Pro you are running, why does it ever need to call on the eLicenser?
I think once you have completed the transfer from e-licenser to iLok, it won't matter if the project was done before the transfer. It is the app that is authorized, not its files.
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Ashermusic wrote: Nov 10, 2021 11:16 amI think once you have completed the transfer from e-licenser to iLok, it won't matter if the project was done before the transfer. It is the app that is authorized, not its files.
This is the part that concerned me:
COMPATIBILITY: Under the iLok system, you will still be able to open existing projects as long as the eLicenser is connected. Once the project has been saved again, the eLicenser will no longer be required.
That reads to me like it's project-by project, but it could be poor wording.

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Guy Rowland wrote: Nov 10, 2021 12:05 pm
Ashermusic wrote: Nov 10, 2021 11:16 amI think once you have completed the transfer from e-licenser to iLok, it won't matter if the project was done before the transfer. It is the app that is authorized, not its files.
This is the part that concerned me:
COMPATIBILITY: Under the iLok system, you will still be able to open existing projects as long as the eLicenser is connected. Once the project has been saved again, the eLicenser will no longer be required.
That reads to me like it's project-by project, but it could be poor wording.
Hmm that sounds to me we have to save thousands of project files or keep the older elicenser somewhere save in a vault in case we ever need to open an old project in the future?

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Guy Rowland wrote: Nov 10, 2021 3:11 am
Ashermusic wrote: Nov 09, 2021 8:54 pm I have two physical iLoks but I won’t be shocked if some former e-licenser stuff will require an iLok account but not a physical iLok.
The VSL message says iLok Cloud can be used, so that's dongle-free. BUT you have to be connected to the net, so in the case of any net service interruption, you'd be stuffed. Far from ideal.

Should see what Steinberg's own plans are today.
This is ideal.
When you know that your connection will vary just download the license to your computer.
Once internet is back, put the license back to the cloud. You can use your phone, the amount of data is so small.

I’ve used this method for roughly two years and never had a single hiccup.
Saves so much trouble with stuff hanging out of your computer when traveling, forgetting iloks etc…

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lofi wrote: Nov 11, 2021 2:43 amThis is ideal.
When you know that your connection will vary just download the license to your computer.
Once internet is back, put the license back to the cloud. You can use your phone, the amount of data is so small.

I’ve used this method for roughly two years and never had a single hiccup.
Saves so much trouble with stuff hanging out of your computer when traveling, forgetting iloks etc…
But Anders, I don't see how that's possible in the new system. The two options are iLok Cloud and physical iLok. There is no third option for machine licensing, unlike some iLok libraries. So the only option is to move from Cloud to iLok when you're not going have a reliable connection, so still stuck with the dongle when mobile.

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Guy Rowland wrote: Nov 11, 2021 4:07 am
lofi wrote: Nov 11, 2021 2:43 amThis is ideal.
When you know that your connection will vary just download the license to your computer.
Once internet is back, put the license back to the cloud. You can use your phone, the amount of data is so small.

I’ve used this method for roughly two years and never had a single hiccup.
Saves so much trouble with stuff hanging out of your computer when traveling, forgetting iloks etc…
But Anders, I don't see how that's possible in the new system. The two options are iLok Cloud and physical iLok. There is no third option for machine licensing, unlike some iLok libraries. So the only option is to move from Cloud to iLok when you're not going have a reliable connection, so still stuck with the dongle when mobile.
Oh, sorry I didn’t read all of the info. My bad.
Strange that they don’t offer the option to store the license on a “soft iLok”.

Here in Sweden we have decent internet coverage on busses and trains. I’ve never had the need to use anything but the cloud service.
Earlier this year I traveled to Italy with work and was able to use only the cloud license. I did need to use my phone as a hotspot on two occasions. Then again I needed to send a few emails and my laptop connects to my phone by default when no other option is available.
But yes, if there’s no internet and no option to store the license to the computer I guess you’re stuck with a dongle.
Best,
/Anders


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I've always understood that the machine authorisation for iLok isn't as secure as the other two methods which is why some companies (like Avid) don't use them, which is a great pity really.

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Thank you guys for this notification. I own several products that are licensed with the eLincenser but never received a message, not a single one.
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Update on the upcoming changes, sounds pretty good to me.


https://forums.steinberg.net/t/update-o ... I4Tw5lVcRY


In November 2021, we announced the details of the new Steinberg Licensing system that will be introduced in early 2022 with the release of Dorico 4, to be followed by Cubase 12 and then other Steinberg software products.

We received a great deal of feedback from our users around the world, and we would like to thank everybody for engaging in thoughtful and passionate discussion with us. We know that the way our software is licensed has a big impact on the experience of using our software, and we want Steinberg Licensing to provide the best possible user experience, while providing protection to both your and our investment in our software.

Although there were many themes among the feedback we received, two concerns emerged as being of particular importance, and it’s around those two issues that we would like to provide an update today.

Renewing activation every 30 days
In our original announcement, we described the process of activating your software online, which would provide you with a 30-day offline allowance period, so that you could disconnect your computer from the internet and use your Steinberg software for 30 days, with the requirement that you should allow the software to renew its activation once every 30 days.

Many users expressed concern about this approach, particularly on the grounds that software sold under a perpetual license should not have any kind of time limitation in its use.

We have decided to make significant changes in this area: for software purchased under a perpetual license, there will be no requirement for your computer to connect to our activation servers after initial activation. There will be no offline allowance period: instead, once your software has been activated on your computer, it never needs to contact our activation servers again for you to be able to keep using it.

If you eventually want to stop using the software on that computer and move it to another computer, you can run Steinberg Activation Manager to deactivate it, freeing up that activation for another computer.

As before, your perpetual license applies only to the current major version of the product: e.g., if you purchase a license for Dorico 4, your license will not apply to Dorico 5 or any later version.

Maximum number of activations
In our original announcement, we specified that it would be possible to activate a single-user license on up to two computers, for your own personal use.

We heard from some customers that increasing the maximum number of activations would be more convenient. To address this, we have decided to increase the maximum number of activations from two to three computers. Your single-user license for your Steinberg software may be activated on a maximum of three computers simultaneously.

Please note that a single-user license is still licensed to an individual person, so it is not permitted for multiple different people to use the software, either at the same or at different times. Each activated machine is for your own personal use.

If you are a business owner or are employed by an enterprise or educational institution that requires multi-user licensing, please stay tuned for further information about the new multi-user licensing options that will be coming in 2022. The above applies only to single-user perpetual licenses for Steinberg software using Steinberg Licensing.

More information
If you missed the original announcement about the introduction of Steinberg Licensing, read it here 2. We have collected answers to many of the questions we have received from our customers about the new licensing system, which you can find here 1. Both of these resources have been updated to take into account the changes announced here.

We are looking forward to the release of Dorico 4 early in 2022, which will provide your first opportunity to experience Steinberg Licensing for yourself. We hope that the changes we have announced today will help to make the transition to the new system as easy and as smooth as possible.

If you have any further queries or concerns about Steinberg Licensing, please let us know. The easiest way is to post on our user forums.

Thank you for your continued support of Steinberg products, and we wish you a very happy Christmas and a productive and prosperous start to 2022.


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Wow, smashing! This addresses pretty much everything from the naysayers. I've sold my 2nd license for my MBP now in anticipation of this - now I get 3 activations should I need them, and no dongle.

Wonder how long we will have to wait for Cubase 12.

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Being the opposition (to everything, hard work but someone has to do it) I just finished installing this onto a raspberry pi zero using poe as power with vpn and all whistles and bells.
Finally (!!!) I can run all my licenses wherever I want to. Only extra was to give the IT department some chocolate for them to let me use the vpn within their network.

https://www.virtualhere.com/usb_client_software

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lofi wrote: Dec 15, 2021 10:06 am Being the opposition (to everything, hard work but someone has to do it) I just finished installing this onto a raspberry pi zero using poe as power with vpn and all whistles and bells.
Finally (!!!) I can run all my licenses wherever I want to. Only extra was to give the IT department some chocolate for them to let me use the vpn within their network.

https://www.virtualhere.com/usb_client_software

/Anders
Well all will be redundant with Cubase 12 but otherwise that looks very clever! I guess you're always tied to a working internet (unless at home base). Presumably only one machine at a time can connect?

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Guy Rowland wrote: Dec 15, 2021 12:26 pm
lofi wrote: Dec 15, 2021 10:06 am Being the opposition (to everything, hard work but someone has to do it) I just finished installing this onto a raspberry pi zero using poe as power with vpn and all whistles and bells.
Finally (!!!) I can run all my licenses wherever I want to. Only extra was to give the IT department some chocolate for them to let me use the vpn within their network.

https://www.virtualhere.com/usb_client_software

/Anders
Well all will be redundant with Cubase 12 but otherwise that looks very clever! I guess you're always tied to a working internet (unless at home base). Presumably only one machine at a time can connect?
Yes only one machine at a time.
I’ve got all my USB-keys ”online”, like ilok-cloud but on steroids. With hardware iLok, cm-sticks and waves/plug-in alliance usb stick all accessible from anywhere (that can reach my little raspberry pi)
Since there’s almost no data, only a handshake now and then it’s been working great.
I will probably regret everything but for now I’m really happy :)
/Anders

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Use of three computer (at the same time) for the owner of the licence...
Gigabyte GA-X99P-SLI / Intel Corei7 6800k / 32 Go DDR4 / 4x SSD / Win 10 Pro x64 / UAD Apollo Twin USB / UAD2 Satellite Octo USB / UAD2 Octo PCIe / Cubase Pro 12 / VEP7 / Console 1 / TC Icon / CMC Controllers / iPads Lemur / 24ch XTouch / Komplete Kontrol S61 MK2 /

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