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That's true. If you can get Century Brass or Strings at 150 bucks, or even lower, they are good value.

The problem with 8dio is that there are a lot of bad libraries. Really bad ones. And a few good ones too. If you buy from 8dio, it's a lot of miss, with a sparse few hits. That's not exactly good grounds for unreserved fandom. All in my opinion. From my experience, 8dio is a company that I have zero trust in. I would never preorder anything from them. Their quality control is among the worst in the industry, in my opinion. If they want to be seen as a serious developer, they have a lot of catching up to do.

Second problem is that most people already have at least one or two strings and brass libraries. And then 8dio simply doesn't add anything much different. If you have Hollywood Brass, you don't really need Century Brass. Only if you need to create non-standard orchestral seating, then 8dio's approach of recording everything in the center of the hall is an advantage. I can't think of any other wet libraries that are recorded that way. For me, for standard orchestral seating, this way of recording is a negative. Recording in the center plus panning does not sound the same as recording in situ. That's one of the many reasons why I always reach for competitors products.

doctoremmet wrote: ↑May 07, 2022 3:08 am And absolutely no mention of any subscription service. Maybe you were thinking of Cinesamples / Musio?

Yes, probably. I edited my post.

Troels makes great demos.

Looks like "everything will change" meant "a visual refresh of the website". I got an email telling me to activate my account in their new store. Ok.

I hate that my brain mixed up sales and I bought something not at the lowest price e v a r, but hopefully I'll get some good use out of it. Ugh.

soundbylaura wrote: ↑May 09, 2022 8:27 am I hate that my brain mixed up sales and I bought something not at the lowest price e v a r, but hopefully I'll get some good use out of it. Ugh.

What did you buy, Laura?

Agitato Arpeggio

Guy Rowland wrote: ↑May 09, 2022 5:28 am Looks like "everything will change" meant "a visual refresh of the website". I got an email telling me to activate my account in their new store. Ok.

So did I, didn't know I had an account

Also, a new entry in their Studio Series solo strings range has just been teased. Sounds rather nice I think. But it is not a popular opinion on these boards to actually like an 8Dio library it appears hehe.



At least this indicates 8Dio as a brand is still a thing and they most certainly do not seem to be leaving Kontakt behind any time soon.

doctoremmet wrote: ↑May 11, 2022 5:09 am Also, a new entry in their Studio Series solo strings range has just been teased. Sounds rather nice I think. But it is not a popular opinion on these boards to actually like an 8Dio library it appears hehe.

At least this indicates 8Dio as a brand is still a thing and they most certainly do not seem to be leaving Kontakt behind any time soon.

I does sound very promising to me, doctor! Sounds very smooth, and the modwheel seems to work without phasing, doubling or jumping from one tone to another.

I think almost all the cynicism you see here is bitter experience of products that haven't lived up to the hype. As already mentioned their QC is atrocious and surely the worst of all the main developers. But there's always hope - especially with a new beginning - so I'm looking forward to hearing the real world reports of this one.

Hey Guy. Can’t say I agree with you regarding the complete and utter atrocity haha. But then again, you are a pro and I am a mere 8Dio fanboy with a hobby - so no offense at all. You’ll have my undying love and respect just for your Symphobia videos alone, Sir!

That said, like you I hope my (admittedly bad and hobbyist) ears aren’t deceiving me, because I think I am hearing a pretty playable and nimble, good sounding legato in there. Then again, we’re watching Troels who is as gifted a musician as you are. Also, there’s way too much reverb for my taste.

We’ll have to wait and see!

I also just read this page on their new website:

https://8dio.com/blogs/news/what-is-nex ... e=hs_email

doctoremmet wrote: ↑May 11, 2022 9:36 amThat said, like you I hope my (admittedly bad and hobbyist) ears aren’t deceiving me, because I think I am hearing a pretty playable and nimble, good sounding legato in there. Then again, we’re watching Troels who is as gifted a musician as you are.

The improvisation sounds great to me too - it's just that in the past the hands-on experience has often been different. I think they have been getting better of late though. (Troels is a waaay better player than me, I'd just like to say - I am genuinely rubbish).

Let me be the sucker to find out and suffer the inevitable pain of finding out I do not even have 1% of Troels’ talent, on behalf of all of us.

I kind of excel in spending a lot of money over at 8Dio and then actually liking the instruments - only to never make much music with them because I’m too busy the new new thing. Which may in turn explain why I still like them?

Since these Deep Quintet Strings are apparently released this month, and chances are Jasper Blunk does not release Pacific Strings, I may actually have a budgetary loophole to help me finance it. If only I hadn’t listened to Rob’s demo tracks with Synth V Solaria… that’s the only risk that could materialize, resulting in me NOT being able to get these solo strings ;-)

Anyway, TL;DR… I’ll report back

Solaria is awesome, just sayin. I haven’t had time to master Synthesizer V, but besides Rob’s excellent track there are a lot more in the VI-C thread.

Yes, thanks Lawrence. I’ve read the entire VI-C thread and am inclined to jump for it.

On the 8Dio Deep Quintet Strings. Apparently there are three patches: 2 vln, 1 vla, 2 celli. That is if I am parsing this YT comment correctly:

Liberis is $50 for 24hrs - https://8dio.com/products/liberis-epic-childrens-choir

I’m as sceptical about 8dio as the next person - more so probably, but this is a genuinely good deal.

I will never buy a library from any company that Troels owns.

Ah, thanks for updating us on whoever’s being canceled next. Helpful comment.

Ashermusic wrote: ↑Sep 21, 2022 5:49 pm I will never buy a library from any company that Troels owns.

Same. I'm still surprised he has fans.

doctoremmet wrote: ↑Sep 23, 2022 3:29 am Ah, thanks for updating us on whoever’s being canceled next. Helpful comment.

There's a whole lot of backstory you might not be aware of. These aren't my stories to share (so kindly don't share this post or quote me), but talk to enough developers and you'll run into a few (all of whom you would recognize) with stories of bad interactions with Troels, Tawnia, or their lawyer.

Gotcha. And every once in a while people in the know will signal their disapproval on public boards so dumb hobbyists like myself are discouraged? Is that the point of the signalling?

Haha I now get why my 8Dio fanboy posts are usually not met with approval. Anyway. I’m a mere customer. I reckon every company has some prick working in some position anyway, so if that should stop from me buying their products I guess I can’t buy anything anymore. But go ahead and proceed

I'm not a mod here, but IMO it's best to simply talk about the products themselves. You may love or hate 8dio for very good personal reasons, but there isn't anywhere that constructive that it can go here. This post is in the Front Page section, viewable to anyone, so there are clear limits as to what can be said (unless it's part of the public record).

I'd echo much of Linos' post. 8dio has terrible QC and a lot of really bad products that even at 90% off are a waste of money. Liberis was definitely one of their better ones, which is why I pointed it out and why this thread can be useful.

I agree Guy, at least about the sticking to discussing actual instruments and skipping the innuendo. Wholeheartedly. Apologies for getting triggered by them, I should know better.

I do think 90% is a gross overexaggeration though, but I’ll refrain from any further discussions on the topic ;-)

doctoremmet wrote: ↑Sep 26, 2022 3:31 am I do think 90% is a gross overexaggeration though

I've bought some at 90% off that were literally a waste of my money. If a product is just plain bad, even $1 is a waste of money.

Important point - in context, wasting money is much more likely if you already have something that's better. If you already have a good string library and see another at 90% off that you take a punt on - hey, it's 90% off - it is a waste of money if you never then use it because it is so bad. However, you might find a use for even a bad strings library if it's the only thing you've got.

In other words - context is all and YMMV.